Casino's

[Shipmate]

It would be fun to have casino onboard, win lots of money (or lose off course)... have a great time behind the fruitmachines and playing blackjack, fun?

[Octopus Dropkick]

We should just have a Bayou Casino boat as a map.

[SlaktarPizza]

He means that if they add poker and that as minigames for eliminated players in Elimination, then they should add Casino's to maps where you could do these mini-games during Elimination.

[Baqar]

Or during actually hunting to cut back on the entertainment need.

HAHA your quarry cheats at poker you pull out your revolver and blast em.

For me its actually quite hilarious to interact with my quarry in other ways besides killing them. IE If their at a dinner table eating a meal, I'll join them. It would be fun to sit down to a civilized game before having to draw my weapon and execute the poor soul.

HAHAH if you make enough money you can pay off your killer in winnings and avoid dying.

[Weirdelves]

Imagine you are all playing elimination, then some idiot who got killed at the beginning won the match by a few very lucky casion rolls...

[SlaktarPizza]

Then just do so it can't happen.
Its that easy.

[Mummbles]

Casino's would be cool, but I think that there should be a limit to how much you can bet. I don't want someone somehow pulling a victory out of their @$$ by gambling.

[SlaktarPizza]

Why not use another kind of cash?
You buy the casino cash, marks or whatever they are called.

And with these marks you can do different things with, buy awesome clothes, eat/drink "special" things and maybe have a black market for buying weapons with marks? :)

But you can't withdraw the marks more than the limit you payed for in the beginning.
In that way its more just a fun way, for entertainment and you can get fancy clothes... In that way you don't need to be afraid of winning a round in the Casino.
Its just there to waste some time and just for fun.

[Mummbles]

Ohh, that would be cool. Then, you can put your chips in a bank at the casino like money. And if you are killed, someone else takes your marks that aren't in a bank from your wallet.

[SlaktarPizza]

Haha, yeah that would be so sweet. :D

[Jamin2]

That isn't so cool if you think about it this way - you are doing really well in hunt mode, the most money on the server with only 30 seconds of the game left. Then some guy who has a lot less money than you goes and bets it all in the casino and comes up with twice as much than he had previously, he then beats you not because of his skill, but because he got lucky in the last 30 seconds.
At the end of every game people would just spam these casinos in the hope of being able to raise their cash.

[SlaktarPizza]

I think you are refering to this message right?
Then, you can put your chips in a bank at the casino like money. And if you are killed, someone else takes your marks that aren't in a bank from your wallet.


He's talking about another kind of money that only are used in Casino.
Which means you can't win by winning in Casino only gain fun stuff by using the Casino's currency.

[Jamin2]

If the casino doesn't aid you within the game in any way, then it's pointless. Why don't you just minimize the game and play some online poker while you wait!

[SlaktarPizza]

Its not pointless if you can spend the casino money to buy different kinds of stuff.
And the whole damn point is that you shall be entertained when you don't have a crap to do. :)

Its far from being pointless.
It would be fun to play Poker, One armed bandit, baccarat or something to waste your time instead of stalking others and at the same time to have fun.

[Jamin2]

But for them to add that to the game would be like them saying "we are admitting that our game can be dull and you run out of things to do sometimes, so we stole some other mini-games and added them in to make our game more enjoyable".

If you have already killed your quarry and are looking for something to do, search for better weapons, stock up on foods etc or even try finding and killing your hunter to take his weapons. If you think this game is lacking in things to do then stop playing it.

[SlaktarPizza]

"we are admitting that our game can be dull and you run out of things to do sometimes, so we stole some other mini-games and added them in to make our game more enjoyable".
Stealing? Who said that OL would steal someone's else work and use it as their own?
I hope you don't think that OL stole The Ship's code as well. :p

If you have already killed your quarry and are looking for something to do, search for better weapons, stock up on foods etc or even try finding and killing your hunter to take his weapons. If you think this game is lacking in things to do then stop playing it.
So you are saying that everyone is only playing hunt and not elimination?
There's several reasons to add mini-games such as Casino.

One of them are to entertain yourself while you wait for 20-30 minutes after being eliminated. I would hardly call collecting weapons good entertainment since you can get almost everything you want within 5 minutes and stalking other players ain't acceptable as entertainment.

But you can say anything you want however, I see having Casino with some mini-games a very good addition when you are bored and waiting through eliminations.

[Jamin2]

You know I was joking when I said stealing. What i was saying is that if they added additional mini-games to their game then they are admitting that there game is so uninteresting at times that they are taking someone else's games (because the developers did not invent casino's or casino games) and including them in. I am not saying that they are stealing, I am saying that they are using someone else's working because theres is not good enough. Not only is them doing this humiliating for themselves, but not RIGHT as they are using other people's materials. Even if they did include mini-games that would still be humiliating and pointless as they have nothing to do with the game. If you want the bits inbetween to be more interesting (as I do admit, then can be dull AT TIMES), then you need to come up with an idea that adds more depth and value to the game and is not some pointless add on.

Incase all the above made it seem like I dislike this game, this is not the case as i think it is a very interesting game.

[SlaktarPizza]

because the developers did not invent casino's or casino games
The Ship didn't invent the first person perspective nor the gun nor how to walk nor the FPS genre...Do all FPS games steal from the first FPS game? ;)
And the Casino games didn't invent the games, they are old classical games.
Like Chess, it has been around for a very very long time that doesn't mean chess games are rip off of a game that was invented by Romans or whatever. :)

Even if they did include mini-games that would still be humiliating and pointless as they have nothing to do with the game.
Remember you are on a boat, what boat didn't have a Casino?
How can Casino be pointless if it holds a function, it has a lot to do with the game. It's a Casino in a boat that can entertain people and possibly earn extra stuff or something...

Like you sit down at a poker board with 3 other eliminated players and relax while the rest of the hunters take down each others...
To have a casino would solve an amount of stalking and it would be less dull when you are eliminated.

Incase all the above made it seem like I dislike this game
Nah just towards the idea, it looked like you tried to put up every negative thing you could get, like stealing. ;)

[Jamin2]

The Ship didn't invent the first person perspective nor the gun nor how to walk nor the FPS genre...Do all FPS games steal from the first FPS game?
And the Casino games didn't invent the games, they are old classical games.
Like Chess, it has been around for a very very long time that doesn't mean chess games are rip off of a game that was invented by Romans or whatever.
Yes but what I mean is that it would be REALLY uninventive if they just took a game that had already been invented, like blackjack, and just added it into there game. Stop taking what I say so literally. And as for the whole FPS thing you go on about, a first-person shooter is a concept, copying a concept is a lot less worse than copying a game in it's entirety and all it's rules. Anyway, Outerlight are so original that they didn't even copy the FPS genre =) as The Ship isn't one.

To have a casino would solve an amount of stalking.
I like stalking, it's the point of the game.

How can Casino be pointless if it holds a function, it has a lot to do with the game. It's a Casino in a boat that can entertain people and possibly earn extra stuff or something...
It would be pointless if it had nothing to do with the game, but if you can make it 'earn extra stuff or something' and this involves your position in the game somehow, then it would be good, but you have not stated how it would affect your status in the game yet.
You say casinos have a lot of point to them, casinos are about winning or losing money to benefit yourself. If this money is virtual (and is not the actual in-game money) then what is the point?
You say casinos are to do with the game because they are on ships. The game is not about recreating an exact ship, it is about hunting people down and avoiding being killed, etc etc, it is nothing to do with gambling.

You have implied that having a casino would make the game more entertaining and you are right, but to do this Outerlight would have to be very unoriginal, which is something they would not do, seeing as they pride themselves on being original. They would also have to effectively confess that there game is not interesting enough and that they are not imaginative enough to come up with something with more dynamic than a casino.

[SlaktarPizza]

but if you can make it 'earn extra stuff or something' and this involves your position in the game somehow, then it would be good, but you have not stated how it would affect your status in the game yet.
That's what I've been telling all the time in previous posts. :o
It's a suggestion which this one gives a base that can be evolved into something more.

You have implied that having a casino would make the game more entertaining and you are right, but to do this Outerlight would have to be very unoriginal, which is something they would not do, seeing as they pride themselves on being original.
I just have one thing to say: Simpsons Did It!

If you think in the fact of gameplay and entertainment it could turn pretty fun
and that's what matters. The biggest thing to worry about would probably be time need to develop it.

That originality-thing is something that I put a lot of thought a long time ago.
You know even how unoriginal it is, you need to think about what matters, how would it affect the gameplay? how would it affect the entertainment?

If you take ideas into unoriginality and originality, then The Ship never should have used the walk function because nearly every game that I know about uses it so the novelty lies at bottom. ;)

So they just lost their pride into inventing something that everyone else has been using. That's one flaw into your consideration and yes its the same thing as using for example poker to enhance a game that is based on big cruiser ships. :D
(I'm not a fan of card games so Poker is like the only one I know about)

[Jamin2]

That's what I've been telling all the time in previous posts.
It's a suggestion which this one gives a base that can be evolved into something more.
If you cannot explain how it can be evolved into something more then why waste our time with your idea if you are not going to explain it fully? Secondly, maybe the fact that you are not able to state how it could evolve into something more (you've had a lot of itme now, this thread is a few days old at least) and that no-one in this forum seems to know how, is a sign that maybe it cannot evolve into something worthwhile?
Why are you defending an idea that is not even finished yet, which you have not even been bothered to think through fully.

You know even how unoriginal it is, you need to think about what matters, how would it affect the gameplay? how would it affect the entertainment?
'How would it affect gameplay' - so far, in no way what so ever because you have not stated how it would tie in with the whole 'players hunting players' scenario.
'How would it affect the entertainment' - well I do not personally think it would be particularly entertaining, but that is my view and so we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I do my gambling every other friday night, I play The Ship to hunt and assasinate people, you have not explained how your idea will enhance that yet.

If you take ideas into unoriginality and originality, then The Ship never should have used the walk function because nearly every game that I know about uses it so the novelty lies at bottom.
I'm sorry, what? People need to be able to walk in a game. Should we walk on our hands, would that be 'original' enough for you? That's even more stupid than saying "The ship shouldn't have used first person, nor even some third person, those methods are unoriginal and had already been invented... it should use second person - you control your character's friend". Some things are just NEEDED in a game. Poker, is not NEEDED in a game, it is a want.

I just have one thing to say: Simpsons Did It!
Why are you comparing a game to a TV series? They are very DIFFERENT.

[weil]

If you cannot explain how it can be evolved into something more then why waste our time with your idea if you are not going to explain it fully? Secondly, maybe the fact that you are not able to state how it could evolve into something more (you've had a lot of itme now, this thread is a few days old at least) and that no-one in this forum seems to know how, is a sign that maybe it cannot evolve into something worthwhile?
Why are you defending an idea that is not even finished yet, which you have not even been bothered to think through fully.


'How would it affect gameplay' - so far, in no way what so ever because you have not stated how it would tie in with the whole 'players hunting players' scenario.



Why not use another kind of cash?
You buy the casino cash, marks or whatever they are called.

And with these marks you can do different things with, buy awesome clothes, eat/drink "special" things and maybe have a black market for buying weapons with marks?

But you can't withdraw the marks more than the limit you payed for in the beginning.
In that way its more just a fun way, for entertainment and you can get fancy clothes... In that way you don't need to be afraid of winning a round in the Casino.
Its just there to waste some time and just for fun.



Gamble, earn prizes, use prizes to aid you in hunting other players.

'How would it affect the entertainment' - well I do not personally think it would be particularly entertaining, but that is my view and so we are just going to have to agree to disagree on that one. I do my gambling every other friday night, I play The Ship to hunt and assasinate people, you have not explained how your idea will enhance that yet.

Yes he has, in addition to the above he has explained (again and again) how it would give people the option of having a few goes, having a bit of fun and earning a few bonuses once they've been killed.


I'm sorry, what? People need to be able to walk in a game. Should we walk on our hands, would that be 'original' enough for you? That's even more stupid than saying "The ship shouldn't have used first person, nor even some third person, those methods are unoriginal and had already been invented... it should use second person - you control your character's friend".

That's the point he was making! That originality isn't important for this.

Some things are just NEEDED in a game. Poker, is not NEEDED in a game, it is a want.

And your point is...? If you are able to have wants, then what is the problem? O_o

As for this talk about OL having to admit it can be borring or whatever...

Are you trying to suggest Overlight pretend that the game is perfect? By your logic are you suggesting that they shouldn't release updates for the game because it means they have to admit that the game wasn't perfect at release? Everything can always be proved and this was a suggestion about how to do it.



How about you start coming up with some points about how this would hinder gameplay and make the game less fun? Then there would be something worth debating. Otherwise you can't exactly justify being against this can you, at best you can only be indifferent. I don't think it's a particularly ground breaking idea either, but it wouldn't bother me if it was introduced and if it was introduced I'm sure I would use it. Until you start arguing how it would make the game worse I dont understand your hostility.

[Weirdelves]

I'm sorry jarmin2, your being extremely pedantic here. It's not like every single time people suggest things they are fully formed ideas, and Slaktar has done his hardest to explain the concept to you.

I think the casino would make the game more fun, so it looks like 3v1.

And I agree with what Weil says, if you don't say a reason why it would be bad, they may as well add it, everyone but you said they'd use it.

[Jamin2]

Wow you guys make very valid points, you are both right. I guess in the end it comes down to your personal opinion and how for every good idea there is always one a**hole that doesn't agree, like me, as it is impossible to do anything in life that won't displease someone.
So I suppose it probably is a good idea, now I actually understand how it could benefit the game.
Sorry you guys and thanks for the pointers.

[Weirdelves]

Either that was sarcastic (jk), or you are one of the more mature people I see on 'teh internet' these days.

[Jamin2]

=) Thank you! Wow, our discussion/argument/flamewar actually ended peacefully!
I am actually one of the most immature people you will meet to be honest. I mean today I had a supply teacher called Mrs. Dilly and I laughed because it sounds like willy. But I appreciate your kind words!

[Phoenix]

War! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing!

[Romes]

I like this idea. When kill by hunter in elimination especailly if you were first like you both were near each other when round started then it is boring waiting a looooooooooong time till next round. Anything that can be done to allow a fun way to pass the time would greatly improve the appeal of the game to new players. Many people start play then they waiting so long because they new every round and so they gonna quit fast.

[chitoryu12]

As virtually everyone said, it would be great for elimination. I once waited twenty minutes for the next round to start. A few minigames here and there would help to pass the time and prepare for the next round. You could win some green and spend it at weapon store before the next round begins.

A good idea would be it's effects on your needs. Winning makes your social needs meters (the one with the speech bubble or book) go down, and losing makes it go up (like you get depressed from losing cash).

[$KaT .:: s@nt mari0an3]

mhh....would be great, but does anyone do something?

"Please Outerlight, give us an On-Board-Casino/Gaming Hell!
We would be very excited and thankfull :)"

[sr tomjac]

yeah i bet you could fit a few secrets in a casino !!!:eek:

[Maakrapu]

If there will be casinos, wich would be a nice way to haste up the time, the pool tables should also be actually playable.